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  What religions/organizations aren't a cult?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so we've already established that most religions can be classified as high control groups, we can name the wbts, church of scientology, lds, etc.

  the list goes on and on.

  but are there any religions or organizations that aren't classified as a high control group or aren't as bad as the ones i've just mentioned?

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  @scratchme1010

  I came to that conclusion analyzing Steven Hassan's BITE model. Now in my honest opinion, I feel like that BITE model can be applied with most Christian religions, but maybe that's just my personal opinion
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  How has 2017 treated you so far?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i can't wait till 2017 comes to an end.

  here are s few things that have happened to my family and i:.

  my jehovah's witnesses mom died in the beginning of the year.

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  I'm so sorry about everything you've been through this year, it sounds very tough. I wish you nothing but strength in this time. I hope the rest of your 2017 is better.
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  What religions/organizations aren't a cult?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so we've already established that most religions can be classified as high control groups, we can name the wbts, church of scientology, lds, etc.

  the list goes on and on.

  but are there any religions or organizations that aren't classified as a high control group or aren't as bad as the ones i've just mentioned?

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  Jules Saturn

  So we've already established that most religions can be classified as high control groups, we can name the WBTS, Church of Scientology, LDS, etc. the list goes on and on. But are there any religions or organizations that aren't classified as a high control group or aren't as bad as the ones I've just mentioned? Are ALL organized religions classified as cults? Would a religion have to lack organization to avoid being classified as a cult?

  ~Jules
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  What are your beliefs now, religious/non religious?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what are your convictions now that you are no longer one of jehovah's witnesses?

  are you a born again christian?

  have you joined another denomination of christianity?

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  @eewx2

  What happened that made you question atheism?
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  What are your beliefs now, religious/non religious?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what are your convictions now that you are no longer one of jehovah's witnesses?

  are you a born again christian?

  have you joined another denomination of christianity?

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  Jules Saturn

  What are your convictions now that you are no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses? Are you a born again Christian? Have you joined another denomination of Christianity? Are you now atheist or agnostic? I ask these questions because of a conversation I had once with my father who said "If none of this is true, then there is no truth." So I thought that his reasoning was pretty interesting, it kind of gave me a little insight as to how a Witness would react to learning TTATT. I've read a lot of experiences of former JWs who lose all faith in God and become atheist or agnostic, and I've also read other experiences of people who have become born again Christians or are practicing another faith. Personally, now that I've learned about the Society, things I never knew when I wasn't "awake", I am unsure of where I stand with my own convictions. And I'm sure this feeling must be normal with anyone who finds out about TTATT. But what made you become an atheist or agnostic or a born again Christian, or even join another denomination or religion? Did you find any questions you had about life finally answered with your new beliefs? Are you on a personal level, happier with your new convictions? Please feel free to share. Thank you.

  ~Jules
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  honesty

  by midnight in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  regarding the recent 1975 video at the convention it hit me !.

  when reasoning with people about the inspiration of the bible we used the bible writers candor ie/ there honesty when recording bible accounts about there personal mistakes .. how come the governing body despite its claims to be spirit directed are not honest about there mistakes ?.

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  @steve2

  correction appreciated!
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  honesty

  by midnight in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  regarding the recent 1975 video at the convention it hit me !.

  when reasoning with people about the inspiration of the bible we used the bible writers candor ie/ there honesty when recording bible accounts about there personal mistakes .. how come the governing body despite its claims to be spirit directed are not honest about there mistakes ?.

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  @Phoebe

  They've only admitted for causing the hype over 1975 in the 1980 Yearbook, but that's the only thing
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  Phone call with a disfellowshipped relative

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i call my grandfather who has been inactive for several decades and he's at vacation in puerto rico.

  the conversation is normal, we talk about how he's doing down there and how i am doing.

  then he tells me that my cousin who i haven't seen in 5 years, is with him and asks if i would like to speak to him; i said yes.

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  Disfellowshipping should honestly be illegal
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  Phone call with a disfellowshipped relative

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i call my grandfather who has been inactive for several decades and he's at vacation in puerto rico.

  the conversation is normal, we talk about how he's doing down there and how i am doing.

  then he tells me that my cousin who i haven't seen in 5 years, is with him and asks if i would like to speak to him; i said yes.

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  Jules Saturn

  So I call my grandfather who has been inactive for several decades and he's at vacation in Puerto Rico. The conversation is normal, we talk about how he's doing down there and how I am doing. Then he tells me that my cousin who I haven't seen in 5 years, is with him and asks if I would like to speak to him; I said yes. So we told each other that we missed each other and that he told me that he's happy that I don't have a stick up my butt anymore and remembers how I would get upset over every little worldly thing he would do and thought that I was going to grow up to be a real Boy Scout. I made it clear to him that to me he was family even though the rest of our family was shunning him. He told me he wish he could've made it to family events but couldn't attend due to him being disfellowshipped. I told him that if we happened to cross paths one day, that I would greet him and not ignore him. He told me that it meant a lot to hear that from me.

  It was really good to hear from him even though honestly a year ago I wouldn't have thought about talking to him. And it bothers me that a year ago I probably would've ignored him like the rest of my family does. It was a clear reminder of how much the practice of disfellowshipping hurts. I can't comprehend how that is humanely possible. But as I said it was really good hearing from him.

  ~Jules
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  Marry only in the Lord

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the second half of 1 corinthians 7:39 reads "...she is free to be married to whomever she wants, only in the lord.".

  so we all know that scripture for being doctrine for witnesses when they select a marriage mate and how they are strictly encouraged to marry amongst themselves and look down upon or marked if they marry an outsider.

  i have a friend who met a worldly man and when it came to light, her father gave her the option to end the relationship or to marry him, and she chose the latter.

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  @Giordano

  wow that's a very interesting and encouraging experience! Thank you for sharing